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    Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

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    Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Metal Maniac on Tue 24 Nov 2009, 12:54

    Hey APU,

    Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red..what is the real difference..where its captured or breeding variation???
    Cant find any info stating this anywhere??

    Thinking of grabbing 5 juvie Super Reds..the colour is real brite but want too know a little more about them
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Cam on Tue 24 Nov 2009, 18:25

    This from Franks site and in his words,..

    COMMENTS; [About commonly called super reds or snakeskin Pygocentrus nattereri:]

    "The common name Super Red is meaningless for any specific P. nattereri since these fish can be highly colored in dark red or reddish-orange within its range. The common name has been applied to fish from Peru. A look at the geographical forms of P. nattereri here) can show that some are more brilliant than others. This color can also be lost during the fishes growth in your aquarium or a dealer's tank as the fish matures. The dealer who coined that name for his fish was probably unaware (at the time) this name could apply to a number of species. It is a relatively new name in the piranha hobby and it is indeed foolish to just attach it to just one locality of P. nattereri. As for the reticulated P. nattereri, this feature is found on some but not all of the fishes from the middle Amazon. If one wanted to call this a Snakeskin, then that would be fine for a common name so long as the person understands that feature is eventually lost behind the brilliant scales. For some unknown reason, this name was eventually grouped with Super Red. Again its value is a minor concern. The real value in these wild fishes is the fact they are wild and can replenish a diminished gene pool if you are into breeding piranhas. Some people collect solely for their beauty (which is what I do). Others because they are "wild" and in that there is value"



    Link to the entire article on "True Piranha",..http://www.angelfire.com/biz/piranha038/nattereri.html
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Metal Maniac on Wed 25 Nov 2009, 12:09

    Thanxs alot Cam..Frank knows his Sh@t!!!
    I really like these super reds i can get the colour is very nice even on the Juvies
    I'm grabbin 12 on the 10th of december..when i get them in there 65 gal i will post pics of them
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Cam on Wed 25 Nov 2009, 12:57

    Anxious to see pics,..will be a nice shoal!
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by PiranhaBoss.dk on Sun 20 Dec 2009, 15:50

    In my personal experience, chemistry also has an influence in how our fish develop onto-morphologically (my own word).
    After all the chemical structure of the water in which the parents spawn, can create fry that grow out completely strange, if these values are different from the water in which the parents came from. It can even affect the bones-count

    Also within the life of a definite specimen chemical changes will show an affect.
    My Serrasalmus sp. 'Tefé black-tail' which probably is a rhombeus-complex specie, can shift from silvery, dull grey, blueish- to yellowish tinted, even in under identical conditions in regard to light and substrate, by only tampering with the water.
    I can have the same readings in Ph, KH and such, but by buffering the water differently, my fish responds sensitively with different coloration.
    The response has also showed in both my wild P. nattereri and bred vice versa, that became oddly dark green along the flanks of the body, by merely softening their water.
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Cam on Mon 21 Dec 2009, 22:28

    Any shots of your Nats w/ green in their flanks,..
    And Welcome to APU great to have you
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by PiranhaBoss.dk on Tue 22 Dec 2009, 02:57

    My camera (Nikon D50) is somewhat sensitive to yellow rather than full-spectred.
    But dependning on how your monitor i specified you should be able to se what I mean in this picture.

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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by jp80911 on Thu 24 Dec 2009, 18:22

    the super reds I've seen aren't that attractive IMO, they are not crazy red or anything.
    sometimes looks pretty ugly.
    my wild red from Ecuador has better color IMO.


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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Metal Maniac on Sat 09 Jan 2010, 12:20

    PiranhaBoss.dk wrote:My camera (Nikon D50) is somewhat sensitive to yellow rather than full-spectred.
    But dependning on how your monitor i specified you should be able to se what I mean in this picture.


    I can see it for sure PiranhaBoss.dk

    When i moved cities the water where i came from was very hard...my Wild Pygos were always dark and Greyish green with Dark Red Throats,my captives were the same with more dark around the eyes and a bit of yellow near the bellie...when i moved too the new city with softer water the grey greeen in the wilds went silver and the red went very orange,on the captives the eyes lightened up and the orange deepend

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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Metal Maniac on Sat 09 Jan 2010, 12:22

    jp80911 wrote:the super reds I've seen aren't that attractive IMO, they are not crazy red or anything.
    sometimes looks pretty ugly.
    my wild red from Ecuador has better color IMO.

    Very nice INDEED...love how that Equador has the bit of flame going up it...and very rich red

    Such a beauti you have there!!!


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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Cam on Thu 21 Jan 2010, 22:17

    PiranhaBoss.dk wrote:In my personal experience, chemistry also has an influence in how our fish develop onto-morphologically (my own word).
    After all the chemical structure of the water in which the parents spawn, can create fry that grow out completely strange, if these values are different from the water in which the parents came from. It can even affect the bones-count

    Also within the life of a definite specimen chemical changes will show an affect.
    My Serrasalmus sp. 'Tefé black-tail' which probably is a rhombeus-complex specie, can shift from silvery, dull grey, blueish- to yellowish tinted, even in under identical conditions in regard to light and substrate, by only tampering with the water.
    I can have the same readings in Ph, KH and such, but by buffering the water differently, my fish responds sensitively with different coloration.
    The response has also showed in both my wild P. nattereri and bred vice versa, that became oddly dark green along the flanks of the body, by merely softening their water.

    This would be a Great write~up in our research section PiranhaBoss.dk,..hint hint:)haha
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    Re: Anyone tell me why a Super Red is so different than a Wild or Captive Red

    Post by Metal Maniac on Sat 23 Jan 2010, 03:34

    Cam wrote:
    PiranhaBoss.dk wrote:In my personal experience, chemistry also has an influence in how our fish develop onto-morphologically (my own word).
    After all the chemical structure of the water in which the parents spawn, can create fry that grow out completely strange, if these values are different from the water in which the parents came from. It can even affect the bones-count

    Also within the life of a definite specimen chemical changes will show an affect.
    My Serrasalmus sp. 'Tefé black-tail' which probably is a rhombeus-complex specie, can shift from silvery, dull grey, blueish- to yellowish tinted, even in under identical conditions in regard to light and substrate, by only tampering with the water.
    I can have the same readings in Ph, KH and such, but by buffering the water differently, my fish responds sensitively with different coloration.
    The response has also showed in both my wild P. nattereri and bred vice versa, that became oddly dark green along the flanks of the body, by merely softening their water.

    This would be a Great write~up in our research section PiranhaBoss.dk,..hint hint:)haha

    It would!!! Wink


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